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  • Andy : Will do.
  • Moderator : Oh, thank you Andy. Say hi once in a while.
  • Andy : Thanks Allyn for providing the link and for moderating. I will continue to follow you at Preterist Voice.
  • Moderator : Thanks for being at this venue
  • Lorraine Rose : Wonderful conference....and thank you moderator....you're the best...off I go....and next year I'm going....
  • Moderator : He is
  • Andy : I don't think I've seen anyone who works harder than Don. He must be up a 4AM every morning.
  • Lorraine Rose : I know.... 🙂
  • Moderator : My LOL came in at the wrong time. Yes it was Lorraine.
  • Moderator : LOL
  • Lorraine Rose : Such a heartfelt moment just now
  • Rich : Hey Don,need a cheerleader?I will do it for room and board at the next PPW!! 🙂
  • Andy : Ok, sorry, I misunderstood.
  • Rich : Andy,I didn't refer to prophesy,just the history of man in relation to God.
  • Moderator : Awwww, no Q&A?
  • Lorraine Rose : 🙂
  • Rich : Oh no,Lorraine,don't say that,the day is over yet!!!!!!! 🙂
  • Andy : Rich, I would say no in the sense that there will be any more prophecy and books added to the Bible. That all ended in 70 AD.
  • Rich : That is an excellent point don makes about physical death.
  • Lorraine Rose : Well...Rich.....at least I know...He doesn't strike us dead today... 🙂
  • Rich : Food for thought: does biblical history repeat itself,in light of God's dealings with man?
  • Lorraine Rose : I'm sticking around for the Q&A for sure...thanks...
  • Rich : Looks like overtime is coming
  • Moderator : Chad says there is a box full of questions ready for the Q&A
  • Lorraine Rose : Yes....I would love to hear Q&A too...
  • Rich : 20 minutes of time left?
  • Moderator : I hope they have time for the Q&A
  • Moderator : Its always been so.
  • Rich : Common sense is disappearing
  • Moderator : Nah, unless you want to. She has slipped into universalism.
  • Rich : Should I google her too?
  • Moderator : I hesitate to mention, but Jennifer Fishborne has also spoken on Preterism in a public venue.
  • Moderator : Oh yes
  • Rich : She also has 4 children,very busy she is.
  • Moderator : She is a very talented gifted, educated young women.
  • Rich : I saved her website,must spend time looking over everything.
  • Lorraine Rose : Exactly Mike Sullivan...following solid rules of hermeneutics....I agree
  • Rich : Got it,thanks
  • Moderator : https://www.facebook.com/riley.o.powell
  • Andy : http://livingthequestion.org/ is her web site.
  • Rich : Will do
  • Moderator : I would say she is one you should google.
  • Rich : Who is Riley Powell?
  • Moderator : Yes, Riley Powell
  • Rich : Not that I have seen,but I have only watched several.
  • Andy : Has there ever been a woman speaker at PPW?
  • Rich : Want to start a fire in the Church of Christ?Suggest that women should be allowed to teach men.
  • Andy : Aren't most Baptists currently Dispensationalists?
  • Moderator : Agreed
  • Rich : Could be that since the Church of Christ evolved from the Baptist church,that type of mindset may have remained in the church.They do teach how to study the Bible,so that helps start the journey.
  • Moderator : Just the outspoken ones.
  • Andy : I wonder why it is that many who believe in Covenant Eschatology originally came from the Church of Christ.
  • Rich : To think I have been criticized for making negative statements toward the church of Christ,here they are exceeding what I have said, although very gently.
  • Rich : So far this not an endorsement of the Church of Christ.
  • Rich : end,end?Now that's funny
  • Rich : Thta is good news
  • Moderator : Plus this is being streamed on two groups at Facebook.
  • Rich : Don is being too nice
  • Moderator : Rich, this site alone has had over 1000 views.
  • Rich : I don't ask the question,I know,having years of Church of Christ experience.
  • Rich : I think Don is speaking about the number of watchers on You Tube.
  • Andy : I'm leaning yes since it is consistent with Covenant Eschatology. The Dispensationalists are consistent in their view since they believe Gen. 1 is about the physical creation of the Universe, and they believe that when Jesus the 2nd coming returns, it will be in relation to the destruction of the Universe. It makes more sense to me than other options.
  • Moderator : Some say yes, most say no. Where are you in this, Andy?
  • Andy : Question: was the "heaven and earth" that Jesus said would pass away (Mat. 24:35) the same "heaven and earth" that was created in Gen. 1?
  • Rich : Even though Don is very knowledgeable,always search the scriptures to see if these things are true.
  • Rich : For sure
  • Andy : Being able to speak publically as well as Don and company is a great gift to have.
  • MJ : So knowledgable and prolific.
  • Moderator : 🙂
  • Rich : My wife calls it"the gift of gab",and then she looks at me!!! 🙂
  • MJ : 🙂
  • Andy : Most likely he would since he has written dozens of books and 100s of articles.
  • Rich : Question,does anyone think don could survive,if he ever lost his voice to some illness,even temporary? 🙂
  • Andy : Great idea.
  • Moderator : I suggested to Don that he take one day a week to have a Q&A on his Morning Musings. He may start doing this after the summer activities of the ministry.
  • Rich : I think Don will give a 2 hour explanation,that's just his way of doing things. 🙂
  • Andy : I'm agreeing with you. Rev 2 indicates that the serpent of old is Satan.
  • David Lavigne : I like to hear from Don on this subject.
  • Rich : Yes,I realize this,just as Paul spoke about this struggle he had.
  • Andy : Who is the "serpent of old" if not the serpent who tempted Eve?
  • Rich : Not me,the bible says ...the serpent was Satan,and a search in a concordance will bear this out.
  • Moderator : Rich, our minds are in constant battle with our spirit. Romans 8:11 shows how God has tamed the mortal flesh of the body to be more cooperative with our redeemed spirit.
  • MJ : Satan is spiritual. Real. Messing around with things I shouldn't have. Also the Jews and the Sanhedrin were adversarial. Mostly because of pride? All of these on different levels?
  • Andy : Rev 20:2 - And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
  • David Lavigne : We as Christians are only assuming that the serpent was the devil. The Jews say differently.
  • Moderator : True. Its an interesting story with a very interesting analysis.
  • Rich : David other scriptures refer to the serpent being Satan.
  • David Lavigne : It doesn't say in Genesis that the serpent was the devil but a creature that was the smartest of all creatures in the garden.
  • Rich : David,Who tempted Adam and Eve in Genesis?It wasn't the Sanhedrin.Also,if Satan didn't have what we consider "supernatural " powers,how was he able to cause all these problems over the years for the human race?
  • David Lavigne : It is time to open the eyes of the blind...
  • Moderator : Me too, Andy
  • Andy : I have a hard time believing the Satan who tempted Jesus in the wilderness is not a supernatural being since supernatural events are described. Having said that, I'm open to other interpretations.
  • Moderator : Amen to that. I can already see, from the perspective of my current role in Don's ministry, a real need for that.
  • David Lavigne : I want to further Don's ministry here in Canada....
  • Moderator : My pleasure.
  • David Lavigne : Thank you!!!!!
  • Moderator : Don takes these contacts seriously so I am sure you will be hearing from him.
  • Moderator : Andy, the text, if taken literally says he was a real entity, but some say that entity is also from within the Jewish priesthood or Sanhedrin.
  • David Lavigne : Many question the devil as a supernatural foe. I would like to know if this spiritual being really existed. Thank you for asking Don this question. I am a part of the Restoration Movement.
  • Andy : Who was the Satan who tempted Jesus when he was in the wilderness for 40 days?
  • Moderator : BTW, David, I passed along you and your ministry to Don K. Preston as a new contact.
  • Moderator : The opinion of many who voice it within preterism, believe it refers to the former.
  • Andy : Got it.
  • David Lavigne : I have a question about Satan, Was the devil in Revelation the High Priest and Sanhedrin or a literal devil?
  • Moderator : Everyone now getting the video?
  • Moderator : Yes sir?
  • David Lavigne : Dear Moderator:
  • Moderator : Refresh - refresh - refresh
  • MJ : I opened another page. Another link. Got it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzA4gDv6BLw
  • Moderator : Please refresh your browser, everyone.
  • Moderator : Don't despair if you just joined us. The conference is currently in the latter minutes of its 15 minute break.
  • NancyJ : oh ok thanks
  • Moderator : uh huh
  • MJ : "touchy subjects" Need to be addressed. I agree, Rich. Where, if not there?
  • Moderator : Nancy, we are in a break period. Should restart any moment now.
  • NancyJ : The livestream is still not working 🙁
  • Moderator : If it doesn't get asked it is more likely it was because of time restraints
  • Rich : I think if it's a "touchy subject,all the more reason to discuss it.
  • Moderator : I'm anxious for the Q&A, and Daniel Rogers clued me in on what a portion of his speech will be. I submitted a question for the Q&A, so we'll see if it gets asked. I would understand if they passed it by, since it deals with a touchy subject.
  • Moderator : 🙂
  • MJ : 🙂
  • Rich : I tried that when I would hear my wife speaking...it didn't work,she continued to talk. 🙂
  • MJ : Tech difficultys. Ah. I had to jump to anoth comp. Things were working previously. Message notifications were going across the air. Great to have this resource available. Thank you!
  • Moderator : HeeHee
  • Andy : Especially if the voices sound like DKP.
  • Moderator : I usually go visit my Psychiatrist whenever I hear voices.
  • Andy : Thanks, I was hearing some voices for a bit, but now I'm not hearing anything.
  • Moderator : Andy, we'll just have to see how things go. Chad said he was going to reboot after Don's portion, so hopefully it will be better.
  • Moderator : Hey MJ
  • MJ : Hello everyone!
  • Andy : How are we doing with he technical issues?
  • Moderator : We are all experiencing it
  • Andy : Keeps cutting out on my end.
  • Moderator : The video feed buffering is an issue from the conference center.
  • Moderator : Do you minister at http://www.eccincanada.com/
  • Moderator : Welcome to you. David
  • Moderator : 😉
  • Rich : To the room?What about those of us who are in the room? 🙂
  • Moderator : Good morning to the room
  • Rich : Constructive criticism can be a helpful tool
  • Rich : Yet the Lord does with the "true Israel".
  • David Lavigne : I am from Canada. Anxious to learn more as we go on...
  • Rich : The Lord never had a wedding with Israel.
  • David Lavigne : Enjoying Don's presentation
  • Rich : Good morning all
  • Rich : The Lord was to re-marry Israel??I think I found a small problem with that.
  • Moderator : Yeah
  • guest_7205 Janis Bar : The sound is good
  • Moderator : Okay, me too
  • guest_7205 Janis Bar : A little bit not too bad
  • Moderator : Anyone else having buffering problems with the video?
  • Moderator : Hi Janis
  • guest_7205 Janis Bar : I think this may show my name...anyway, you are welcome. I'm going back and forth between chats this morning with those waiting on YouTube
  • Moderator : Guests to this chat room may change their username here from guest to another name.
  • Moderator : Thanks
  • guest_7205 : Daniels pp for this morning will be forthcoming "shortly" on his site 🙂
  • guest_7205 : For those waiting, Daniel Rogers has made power points available for download at http://labornotinvain.com/ppw2017/
  • Moderator : I'm back
  • guest_6192 : Happy to join your enthusiastic audience....
  • guest_7205 : Good morning everyone.
  • Moderator : Good Morning y'all. I will be absent for several minutes while I get my daily walk out of the way. Looking forward to another excellent morning ahead for PPW.
  • Moderator : Night Fran
  • Moderator : LOL
  • Fran Lewis : Good Night Allyn!
  • Lorraine Rose : Nite...nite...moderator extraordinaire
  • Joel Sexton : ty mod
  • Danny Morton : good night
  • Moderator : Good night all
  • Danny Morton : got it
  • Moderator : Thanks Danny. my email is allyn_morton@hotmail.com
  • Moderator : Reminder to refresh page. I always need to put in new live stream codes.
  • Danny Morton : ok always welcome
  • Fran Lewis : Don, you are the best!
  • Lorraine Rose : Will stay tuned for the morning...
  • Moderator : I can say that I will keep it in mind. 12 noon would be the problem on Sunday.
  • Lorraine Rose : Excellent Don K. Preston!!! Thank you...
  • Danny Morton : If interested we can message id number
  • Moderator : ok, Zoom.us
  • Lorraine Rose : Allyn...you go to zoom.us...and then if you're interested...you need Danny's number....
  • Danny Morton : or just google zoom
  • Lorraine Rose : It's always a surprise what we learn in Danny's study....I just never want it to end...
  • Rich : try.us
  • Moderator : I tried the url and it came up empty
  • Danny Morton : Yes we have a loving group who loves God
  • Lorraine Rose : Allyn.....it's the place to be...so interesting...and fantastic fellowship
  • Moderator : OIC
  • Danny Morton : We meet on zoom .com 12 centeral time
  • Lorraine Rose : See ya Sunday...my teacher guru ....looking forward to your teaching...got your outline...thanks
  • Moderator : Danny, where do you meet on Sunday?
  • Joel Sexton : Deut 32; Isa 2 prove to be strong passages when used by the the N.T. writers.. Dispy scholars admit Deut 30-34 is the last days
  • Danny Morton : See you Sunday my sweet Sis Lorainne
  • Moderator : My pleasure
  • Lorraine Rose : YES...I agree Joel...
  • Danny Morton : Amen great host
  • Lorraine Rose : So glad Allyn that we can come here...thank you kind sir for being a wonderful moderator....
  • guest_2445kenneth mo : Yes I can see just by watching him in his debates, and his teaching that he has Humility...
  • Joel Sexton : Don's a self taught scholar with huge sucsess
  • Danny Morton : Wonderful real Geru
  • Lorraine Rose : Yes....Guest Kenneth....Don is a humble man who is always gracious....when I met him 3 years ago...he spoke at a conference in Arizona...he was sick the last day he was here...and still spoke and even gave us hugs...to me....hats off to him...
  • Moderator : Before I forget - Thank you all for coming in to the website and Live Stream.
  • Moderator : For sure! Kenneth
  • Danny Morton : I think covenant creation is an extension of Full pret
  • guest_2445kennth mor : To say Don Preston is a smart man.. Is a understatement!!
  • Lorraine Rose : I still stand by...that I no nothing...and when I learn something....I'm amazed.....it has to be God....because...left up to me...I'd starve...be a hobo...and wouldn't have a clue....but...but....the Lord opened my eyes....and brought into my life people like Danny and Adrienne and of course HIS WORD....can't forget Covenant Creation...
  • Moderator : Where's that like button?
  • Rich : Humor is good to always keep handy.
  • Danny Morton : Ok cool I have enjoyed this continuous journey for 19 and still learning praise God
  • Lorraine Rose : Hahahahahahaha Rich
  • Rich : so as you can see ignorance is bliss,no wonder i was always so happy! 🙂
  • Rich : About 3 years,with a background in the Church of Christ of and on for 50+ years.
  • Danny Morton : Amen
  • Lorraine Rose : When I realized that the promise to the land for the jews...was fulfilled in Joshua....I realized that the Israel....today....was a bogus place..not the holy people...and such...
  • Danny Morton : Yes
  • Moderator : I was very good friends with Stan Goodenough and Van derhoven
  • Rich : who me?
  • Danny Morton : How long you been pret
  • Moderator : Me too, Rich. I was a follower of Christian Zionism untill I could see the nonsense of it.
  • Rich : It was a long journey
  • Rich : The study of Israel is what brought me to preterism.
  • Moderator : Thanks Chad
  • Lorraine Rose : YES!!! Mike Sullivan does have a spot on study on this whole study of the so-called land of Israel today....I use so-called lightly...
  • Rich : i know,but to discuss that would be very lengthy.I recommend everyone search out the history of the holocaust,an open minded search,without any presuppositions.
  • PPW 2017 Chad Kennow : If you're enjoying the stream please consider donating per the video description! Thousands of dollars were spent to bring this to you this year. Paypal to jadon@cableone.net Submit your Questions for the Q&A tomorrow at 10:30am. Questions can be sent to Chad Kennow on Facebook or email to chad@kennow.net. I will be sure to put them in the question box.
  • Danny Morton : Mike Sullivan has a great study on modern Judisam
  • Lorraine Rose : Rich....if I may say....the holocaust didn't bring about the New Covenant...not minimizing that horrifying time...in fact my husband's relatives were part of that....but ....but....but....
  • Rich : Allyn,not only that,also not in many other ways.
  • Rich : Holocaust,now there is a study that will cause some mouths to drop and eyes to pop out,when the truth is known.
  • Danny Morton : The germans didn't kill the son of God Quality not Quanity
  • Moderator : Not in terms of spiritual matters, though.
  • Rich : Some say that the so called holocaust was greater than AD 70.
  • Moderator : Great
  • Rich : Thanks Allyn,I already have Brian's video.
  • Rich : Take a look at Tony's book,Pertinent Parousia Passages
  • Moderator : The one I will send is the one you don't have.
  • Moderator : Rich, I made separate chapters of it and mp3s
  • Lorraine Rose : I have his book on Hebrews....
  • Moderator : Do you have his, "Inheritance Bequeathed. The Law Deceased"?
  • Rich : You gotta be kidding right?...a very good book by Brian L Martin,also a video on You Tube.
  • Lorraine Rose : I have Tony's book....a must!!!
  • Moderator : Yup
  • Rich : Speaking of Tony Denton,he has a list of preterists you can become part of,check it out.
  • Moderator : I will send a bonus book too, by Tony Denton.
  • Rich : That's not necessary,I know the mills are out of touch,so to speak.
  • Moderator : Okay, Lorraine. $4 will cover the mailing. You will love the book.
  • Moderator : Be sure to slip Don K. Preston a question about that, Rich
  • Lorraine Rose : I have PayPal Allyn...
  • Rich : Israel is supposed to do all these things?I 'm confused,Israel was shattered/destroyed in AD 70,never to return....Houston we have a problem!!
  • Moderator : Besure I get your mailing address.
  • Moderator : My paypal is allyn_morton@hotmail.com
  • Moderator : Lorraine, if you have a Paypal account for the shipping cost we can get this done, otherwise I will take a personal check or something.
  • guest_2445kennth mor : All these men are speakers that I would love for everyone to be able to listen too..They are just fantastic!!
  • Lorraine Rose : Allyn...I have all Don's books...but Daniels I don't...I would love that...
  • Danny Morton : Yes mam
  • Moderator : i5 minutes, that is
  • Moderator : Catch you on the flip side
  • Danny Morton : Time for coffee
  • Lorraine Rose : I will stay tuned when Don K. Preston returns...
  • Lorraine Rose : Excellent speaker...indeed....when Dr. William Bell speaks....I definitely listen....spot on man....
  • Moderator : A little advertisement: I have 2 free books, I have several copies (just for the cost of shipping, which is 4 bucks) to give away to who ever in the USA wants to request them. They are "Can God Tell Time", and Daniel Rogers book, "The Last Enemy and the Triumph of Christ". If you have a paypal account. While supplies last.
  • Lorraine Rose : The redemption of the body.....taking away of sins....amen
  • Rich : Hi Lorraine Rose
  • Lorraine Rose : Hi....hi... Rich
  • Lorraine Rose : Hahahahahaha....yup my teacher guru Danny...
  • Danny Morton : Super natural natural Lorraine
  • Rich : I had noticed that.
  • Lorraine Rose : I will visit for sure Allyn....
  • Danny Morton : 10-4
  • Moderator : I don't know if any of you have gone to the Fulfilled Radio website, but William gave it over to me to update. It had been so neglected since 2013 and had no current content. So put it on your list to visit and use it as your connection to 2 Guys and a Bible and the other two broadcasts.
  • Lorraine Rose : Earlier today he said this....I'm paraphrasing...."when the High Priest goes into the Holy of Holies he becomes God...when Jesus came out of the Holy Place He becomes man....
  • Danny Morton : Long birth poor woman
  • Rich : So 2 thousand years later,the birth pangs are still on going???The problems with futurism,continue to mount.
  • Danny Morton : I have always loved his presentation
  • Lorraine Rose : I have to say....Dr. William Bell floors me with not only his understanding of the bible...but the way he can speak in the way I can understand.....hats off to this man...
  • Lorraine Rose : Hahahahahaha...Danny...my reputation precedes me....hahahaha
  • Danny Morton : You can't calm my Sis
  • Moderator : I do, for sure.
  • Lorraine Rose : No way......hahahahahaha...me calm...you know me buddy
  • Moderator : lol
  • Moderator : Calm down, sister.
  • Lorraine Rose : I saw it....I'm jumping up and down....can you see me.....
  • Moderator : I just made an announcement on FB concerning my decision. I am a spontaneous person and to some it may sound like out of emotion, but it is absolutely not.
  • Lorraine Rose : Amen to that Danny...
  • Danny Morton : Never again
  • Lorraine Rose : You are not in the flesh!!!!! Good point Dr. Bell....
  • Danny Morton : Amen
  • Lorraine Rose : Oh yeah....I learned 'patterns' from you Danny....it opens up everything!
  • Danny Morton : Great patterns
  • Lorraine Rose : God saved Israel as a body....YES!!!!
  • Moderator : Tremendous comfort, Danny
  • Lorraine Rose : YES.....so glad you said that Danny....we will....
  • Danny Morton : Our Sunday group will pray for you
  • Moderator : Thank you
  • Lorraine Rose : I will Allyn....pray for your mom...it's a good thing you are doing for your mom...sweet..
  • Moderator : I really like this chat plugin
  • Moderator : Continued good health
  • Lorraine Rose : Yeah....it has to be a little toastie for Dr. Bell..for sure...
  • Moderator : I will try, and pray for good health for my mother.
  • Lorraine Rose : Then Allyn....try to attend next year...where you can meet Danny and his beautiful wife Adrienne and myself...and some others I will bring along....
  • Moderator : Dr. Bell is going to roast in that robe and hat.
  • Danny Morton : Preach it Dr Bell
  • Moderator : I have yet to attend one. I must be around home for my elderly mother.
  • Lorraine Rose : Oh yeah....would be good to meet you Allyn...and I'll be meeting Danny face to face in September...
  • Danny Morton : LOL
  • Lorraine Rose : Amen my teacher guru Danny ...hahahaha
  • Moderator : that would be great, Lorraine
  • Danny Morton : we will meet you yhere
  • Lorraine Rose : Next year I will attend this conference....
  • Danny Morton : to me it makes the Bible alive
  • Lorraine Rose : I know....right...so cool
  • Danny Morton : AMEN
  • Lorraine Rose : I know....right....so cool!!
  • Moderator : think
  • Moderator : I thing Don is too
  • Danny Morton : Williom is getting close
  • Moderator : heehee
  • Danny Morton : Be happy too
  • Lorraine Rose : I'm working on it Allyn...count on it...hahahahaha
  • Moderator : Hi Danny Morton, this is Allyn Morton, brother.
  • Moderator : If you guys keep pushing CC I just might be convinced.
  • Lorraine Rose : Allyn....Danny Morton is my bible study teacher on Sunday mornings....he's got it going on..
  • Lorraine Rose : YES!!!! CC is so cool!!!
  • Danny Morton : Go cc
  • Lorraine Rose : Hey...hey.... Danny....this rocks...doesn't it....so cool!!!
  • Moderator : Danny, are we related? 🙂
  • Danny Morton : what's up Lorraine
  • Moderator : Don't clutch on us, William. LOL
  • Lorraine Rose : Here...here...Dr. Bell
  • guest_669 : William Bell Rocks!!!
  • Moderator : I mean Dr. Bell
  • Moderator : Congratulations to William Bell
  • Moderator : If you wish, you can change the quest label to your name
  • Rich : yep it is working
  • guest_669 : Hi..hi..hi...
  • Moderator : Hello sister
  • guest_669 : Yup...Lorraine Rose here...I'm connected...thanks
  • Moderator : Every one connected?
  • Moderator : Refresh your page
  • Moderator : I'm here
  • Rich : Anybody here?
  • Rich : are we live yet?
  • Rich : ah,now we have to wait 3 hours to see what the surprise is,great,now how can anybody sleep knowing that? 🙂
  • Rich : Michael Brown is located in Charlotte
  • Rich : Israel in AD70.
  • Rich : Commenting on the book saying there are 2 second comings,well Jesus a;ready came back more than once,prior the time of judgement on
  • Rich : Mike,is your church located in NY?
  • Rich : I would guess they all have something in common....searching for answers to whatever concerns them.
  • Mike Miano : Sometimes they were just looking for a local church. Sometimes they heard some things about this local Bible church. Sometimes they just stumble upon our location. Sometimes by invite.
  • Mike Miano : Always different reasons.
  • Rich : Do you know why they have decided to visit your congregation?
  • Mike Miano : And if we did not have the local institution, we would not see that happen.
  • Mike Miano : We get to see the "light turn on" every week for new people who had never heard of Preterism
  • Mike Miano : Rich, new people visit our church almost every week
  • Rich : Mike,you have an advantage I think,you already have people in attendance willing to listen.
  • Moderator : now at a break time
  • Moderator : Let her know we are not at a break time.
  • Mike Miano : As a pastor of a local church, I see advancements in Preterism every single Sunday!
  • Mike Miano : I just had a lady from our local congregation call me and she will now be tuning in. 🙂 She was opening her computer as we got off the phone
  • Mike Miano : Rich, I have seen both have amazing impact
  • Rich : imo,I think approaching someone about Preterism,one on one in private surroundings,has more influence on them,rather than discussing it in a church.
  • Moderator : nope
  • Rich : Yep,they don't dare speak their mind on Preterism!
  • Moderator : Amen, amen
  • Moderator : LOL
  • Rich : Boy o boy does this equality include brtween men and women?
  • Moderator : Amen
  • Moderator : Do we have any people outside the USA here today?
  • Moderator : For me, preterism is about the understanding of how we are what we are in the kingdom, today.
  • Moderator : Hi Fran.
  • Moderator : 2 on Facebook, one on Youtube, and here.
  • Rich : Really?Have there always been that many?
  • Fran Lewis : I'm back here Allyn. Glad to be here :)!
  • Moderator : I just mean there are about 4 other venues carrying this Live Stream.
  • Rich : Appreciate us being here,on the contrary,I think these type of events are special.
  • Moderator : I appreciate you all being here.
  • Mike Miano : Oh ok. Just seeing if I knew you
  • Rich : Haha,you won't believe me...Smith
  • Mike Miano : Rich what's your last name?
  • Rich : I caught that"the writer of Hebrews",instead of who wrote it!
  • Rich : Andy,by the way,the reference you used about"heavens and Earth being symbolic in the Bible that is true,except that concept didn't exist when the Lord created the Earth.
  • Moderator : I'm back, I lost my connection.
  • Rich : Cmon Don... you gotta being kidding right? Hmm where have i heard that before? 🙂
  • Moderator : Hang in here, folks - we're bound to be on the air any moment now.
  • Rich : Cmon Andy,the bible doesn't mention Koalas by name,so does that mean the Bible is faulty?
  • Chad Kennow : CT
  • Chad Kennow : We'll be back at 1:15pm
  • Chad Kennow : Forgive me I've had little sleep. 😀
  • Rich : 1 oclock CT,2 oclock et?
  • Chad Kennow : Rich Central time
  • Chad Kennow : We're all coming back from lunch and settling in. We'll be back shortly. Thanks for watching and consider a donation. This is all very expensive.
  • Rich : Those are your ASSUMPTIONS nad not based on any factual account.
  • Rich : It's 2 pm let's go!!!!!
  • Andy : I haven't seen T-Rex mentioned in the Bible, and I'm sure if they ran across one, it would be hard not to mention it. If you are referring to the mention of Leviathon, I beleive that is talking about whales.
  • Rich : Of course they existed,they are also accounted for in the Bible.The majority of anything doesn't mean they are correct in what they claim.
  • Moderator : Did God creat intangibles?
  • Moderator : In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
  • Andy : No, science is often wrong, but in this case, the evidence from science is overwelming for an old earth. You haven't answered my question about dinosaurs. Do you believe they existed, or did God put dinosaur fossils in the earth to confuse us?
  • Rich : There in lies the problem....you see taking the scientists word for it,and listening to what they say,instead of looking to see who says what..... based on what facts.You see both cannot be right,somebody is twisting the truth!
  • Andy : Again, I'm not saying that the Bible is wrong, I'm saying certain interpretations (by man) are wrong. "Heaven and earth" is not a term taken literally by preterists. It typically means the temple or where God connects to his people, kind of a portal between physical earth, and God's spiritual realm.
  • Moderator : For newcomers, the conference is scheduled to restart in just a few minutes.
  • Rich : Andy,God created what we call"heaven"/sky/upper atmosphere/outer space or whatever term is acceptable.
  • Andy : You agree with archeology (science) when it supports the Bibles claims (and I agree with that), but when it says the earth is billions of years old and that humans have been on planet earth for at least a million years, you disagree with it.
  • Rich : plus recent videos
  • Rich : I have 3 books on the biblical discoveries in archaeology.
  • Andy : Allyn, not sure exactly what you mean, but God did create visions, dreams in order to communicate to his prophets. I guess they could possibly be considered thoughts.
  • Rich : Correct,there is not any statement directly saying what the age of the Earth is.Yet if there are accounts given(dates of peoples lifetime)and scholars have gone through the genealogy of them,to get a good estimate of how old the Earth is,then it is an indirect biblical account of the age of the Earth.Then there is archaeology.
  • Moderator : Just asking
  • Moderator : No, I mean thoughts, rudimentary things.
  • Andy : Do you mean by intangibles things that we can not observe with our senses?
  • Moderator : Does God create intangibles?
  • Andy : BTW, "heavens and earth" does not mean the literal sky (with associated stars and planets) and the planet earth.
  • Andy : I don't find any account in the Bible on the age of the earth. Show me the passage if there is one.
  • Rich : Ok.I agree but on what basis do we see the book of Genesis as giving a symbolic account of the age of the Earth?For instance,did god create the heavens and the Earth in six days?That's what it says..can God tell time?What about all the other references to time in the Bible?
  • Moderator : Live Stream should begin in about 20 minutes.
  • Andy : Rich, I think Don's book "Can God Tell Time" has nothing to do with the age of the earth.
  • Andy : Rich, I believe what the Bible says too, but without understanding ANE idioms, symbols, metaphors and culture, I won't be able to interpret it properly. You just can't interpret ANE writings through our modern day western culture lens.
  • Rich : No problem,I believe his book is directly related to the age of the Earth,regarding time.
  • Moderator : Oh, sorry - heehee
  • Rich : Thanks Allyn,I was using that to make point.
  • Moderator : Please, everyone, refresh your browser. The next session of the conference is under a new code.
  • Moderator : Yes, Rich. That book is the one I am sending to you.
  • Rich : I believe Don K. Preston has a book titled"Can God Tell Time".
  • Rich : First,I believe what the Bible says,now having this in mind,how can I say science is correct on the age of the Earth,yet it disagrees with the bible?Then I would to point out,on what basis do we find that the Genesis account is symbolic?
  • Andy : Unfortunately, the insistance that the Genesis Creation Account should be taken literally has driven way too many people away from Christianity because it can't be supported by the known science. It's best that we do not take the Bible as a scientific manual, and that we try to understand it through the world / culture of the original ANE writers. I agree with Mike Miano about it being Temple Text and the language within it is highly symbolic.
  • Rich : At one tine I thought that evolution was the explanation of the age Earth,coinciding with the biblical account,not anymore,as I found out we have been"bambozzled",as is the title of one of the preterists videos I like.
  • Rich : Another time consuming study..biblical archaeology.
  • Rich : Mike,always be skeptical of what those who claim to be scientists,and have scientific proof,that is why I refer you to Duane Gish.
  • Rich : Cont......copies of some)debates.discussions about the age of the Earth.Google Duane Gish,and listen and see what he says on the subject,you might be very surprised.There is more,but Mr Gish alone,is a major study.
  • Mike Miano : I do understand that Rich. However, I come to this discussion without bias. I simply have studied context and Genesis as a creation of the physical planet does not jive with the historical context of the writing.
  • Rich : Mike,you will find that that all these researchers are biased,either for or against creation.Yet,when you look at what they have discovered,the anti-creationists deny/write off/ignore their own misgivings because they already have the mind set that the bible is not true,and anything pointing to the age of the Earth coinciding with scripture,is viewed as an impossibility,I guess you could say they think it is nothing more than fiction.Not that you should take my word for it,but I seen(and have co
  • Moderator : Hope to see some of you after lunch break. I will need to install a new Live Stream code, so don't dispair if I don't have it right at the beginning.
  • Andy : I'm not saying that everything that has been discovered by 'science' is necessarily correct, but I'd have to say that the preponderance of scientific evidence shows that the earth is over 8 thousand years old. Do you believe that dinosaurs actually roamed the earth at one time? If so, did they roam the earth in Adam's day?
  • Andy : Since we as preterists, don't believe that the "end of the age" means the end of the space / time contiuum (like Dispensationalists do), shouldn't we consider that "in the beginning" may not mean the beginning of the space / time continuum?
  • Mike Miano : And that's honest research compared to what dishonest research, Rich? On what basis?
  • Rich : Andy,this opens the door for a long discussion,for instance,how do you know the Earth is more than 8 thousand years old?Just to let you know,the research done on this by men,has been shown to be lacking total honesty.Google"Mount Saint Helen's eruption,and what was discovered by honest research there.
  • Andy : Yes if you mean the creation of Israel, God's people. I don't believe Genesis is talking about the creation of the space / time continuum.
  • Moderator : If not, why not?
  • Moderator : could it be simply that God used the creation terms to present the covenant terms to Israel?
  • Andy : The Bible is not a science manual and should not be interpreted as such. We don't know who the first human being was, but we do know that there were humans on the planet many years before the time of Adam. You'd have to believe that the earth is only 8 thousand years old if you were to take the Genesis account literally.
  • Rich : The David Hester debate is what I expected to happen,Mr Hester is entrenched in his preaching,right or wrong,and cannot change course.
  • guest_669 : CC rocks!!!
  • Mike Miano : Genesis 1 is a Temple Text
  • Mike Miano : CC seems to be the only view that is consistent and helps understand how Temple Texts worked in ANE understanding
  • Moderator : I would love to believe that CC is correct, but it is so short of pure evidence in the very account of Genesis 1
  • Rich : Then who was the first human being,if not Adam?
  • Andy : I also lean towards Covenant Creation. I can believe that Adam was God's first High Priest, but not the first human being.
  • Mike Miano : Andy, I lean toward the beginning of Covenant. That would lean into Covenant Creation
  • Rich : Really?That's great,since I have become a notorious bookworm since realizing preterism is the truth.
  • Andy : Does "in the beginning" necessarily mean the beginning of the time / space continuum, or is it possible that it means in the beginning of God's covenant / establishment of his people?
  • Moderator : Rich, you will be receiving a bonus book, too.
  • Moderator : I agree with William
  • Mike Miano : CC 🙂
  • Mike Miano : ugh oh...lol
  • Rich : God is love!!!!!
  • Rich : Yep,the parallels between the Old Testament and the New Testament is amazing.
  • Moderator : You will love them
  • Rich : Thank you for offering the books,they will be well used.
  • Moderator : Thanks Rich. Got it
  • Rich : Mike,I don't think so.
  • Rich : Allyn,money sent
  • Mike Miano : Rich from North Carolina. Do we know each other?
  • Moderator : Thanks Rich. I replied.
  • Rich : Allyn...mail again
  • Moderator : You have mail, Rich
  • Moderator : K
  • Rich : Allyn,you have mail
  • Moderator : I have several copies to give away
  • Moderator : I share this once in a while here, but I have 2 free books (just for the cost of shipping, which is 4 bucks) to give away to who ever in the USA wants to request them. They are "Can God Tell Time", and Daniel Rogers book, "The Last Enemy and the Triumph of Christ". If you have a paypal account, my account is allyn_morton@hotmail.com
  • Rich : And I can't spell either 🙂
  • Mike Miano : Long Island, New York
  • Rich : North Carolnia here
  • Andy : State College, Pennsylvania
  • Moderator : I am from Nebraska
  • Moderator : Hi Andrew
  • guest_252...Andy : Andrew Reish
  • Moderator : Hi rich
  • 5144...Rich : my new name
  • Moderator : Substitute your name for the guest name.
  • guest_5144 : Anyone hear what bible he has with large print?
  • guest_5144 : Yes,it gets cofusing here...whos's who...:)
  • Mike Miano : I've preached on this topic before. Guest 5144 - whats your name? I can send you some links if your interested.
  • Mike Miano : Oh...that's two different Guests. ooops
  • Mike Miano : Wait...you said in one sentence because of sin we will never choose God on our own, then you said we choose.
  • guest_2527 : Without God changing our hearts, we will never choose him. See Eph. 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God.
  • guest_5144 : God gave Adam and Eve the ability to think for themselves,to choose right from wrong,now did he already know what they would decide?Most certainly he did.
  • guest_5144 : 2527,how do you know that?Sure the Lord draws us to him,but who decides to accept or deny him?
  • guest_5144 : Michael,I can choose to believe anything I wish,I can also go against what I have been taught by my parents,and whatever is considered nature.
  • guest_2527 : Because of our sinful nature, we will never choose God on our own.
  • Mike Miano : That is the point of the Adam and Eve story. To highlight the innate wickedness within mankind (even when we are set in His presence surrounded by splendor and beauty). It's the picture we see of OC Israel again and again throughout the Law and the Prophets.
  • Mike Miano : We are only free to choose the things that are in accordance with our nature.
  • guest_2527 : Have you ever read Dr. R.C. Sproul's book "Chosen By God"?
  • guest_5144 : and obey
  • guest_5144 : Of course,they had the free will to choose.
  • Mike Miano : Adam and Eve had as much a choice as I do to sin.
  • Mike Miano : I believe humans to be slaves to sin in the natural. The whole of Scripture points that out.
  • guest_5144 : William Bell is next,I need to listen to him, of the speakers he is the only one I have not followed closely.
  • guest_5144 : A point...did Adam an Eve have a choice?????
  • Mike Miano : Understood Guest. I see where we might agree and disagree. 🙂
  • guest_5144 : That is a subject which would involve hours of debate.However,every person has the ability to exercise his free will,to choose to believe or not.
  • Mike Miano : Awesome stuff!
  • Mike Miano : That God sovereignly predestines and elects those who believe?
  • guest_5144 : Not sure what is meant by"election"
  • Mike Miano : Guest 5144 - I agree in part. Do you understand and believe in "election"?
  • guest_5144 : Everyone is given a chance to receive forgiveness,therefore those who believe(for sake of discussion)among mankind today,can read the scriptures and obey the Lord's will and can be counted as his chosen people.
  • Mike Miano : Of course there are. I would not call them false apostles. Rather they are those "outside the gates" (as per Revelation 22)
  • Mike Miano : The Scriptures are written for all mankind? Really? I would assert the Scriptures are for God's people (Old Covenant - oracles to Jews cf. Romans 3:2; New Covenant - those of His Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians chapter 2)
  • guest_5144 : Are there not some who deny the gospel today?
  • Mike Miano : Apostle means sent. In the first century those who had been "sent" to come against the Gospel as "children of the Devil" were the Jews.
  • guest_5144 : The scriptures are written for all mankind,throughout the ages,therefore false Apostles cannot be limited to the Jews.
  • guest_5144 : What are false Apostles,only those who have some religious position of importance?I don' believe the term should be limited to the Jews only.
  • Moderator : Folks, consider giving a donation for the costs of this years PPW. If you do paypal, Don's account is jadon@cableone.net
  • Mike Miano : I am thinking of setting up a broadcast with Daniel Rogers. I think it would be good to talk about who Satan is (which I study through in my recent book) and the defeat of Satan (as Daniel has written about).
  • Moderator : 🙂
  • guest_5144 : Think about it,Preterism is bringing people of different religious beliefs together...what will come out of that?
  • Moderator : We have 14 people watching here - Thank you
  • guest_5144 : I am of the opinion that the spreading of preterism is a way for the Lord to revive Christianity out of these dark ages,which speaking of religion,we are experiencing.
  • Moderator : thumbs up
  • Mike Miano : Oh man, I have to get Daniel a copy of my recent book, Wicked 🙂
  • Moderator : Not all do
  • Mike Miano : We try... 🙂
  • Moderator : I wish we were more organized and cooperative between ministries.
  • Moderator : I hope we can really make a difference in the near future. God knows.
  • Mike Miano : God willing.
  • guest_5144 : I mean...the changing tide
  • guest_5144 : That is true,Michael,your debates may help that occur.
  • Mike Miano : Unfortunately so....however the tide is changing
  • guest_5144 : I have feeling that almost anyone who believes preterism,will have the same problem Daniel had/has.
  • Moderator : No, really I am just fine with my 65 years
  • Moderator : I wish I was 20 years younger.
  • Mike Miano : Thanks brother! Blessings!
  • Moderator : And for you, Mike
  • Mike Miano : The future sure is bright!!! Thank God for young men like Daniel Rogers.
  • Mike Miano : 😉
  • Moderator : 🙁
  • Mike Miano : You would think Dr. Preston would make mention of my upcoming debate defending Covenant Eschatology in regards to 1 Corinthians 15.
  • Moderator : Morning Michael
  • Moderator : Daniels book is available for the cost of shipping while supplies last. Just contact me.
  • Mike Miano : Blessings all!
  • Moderator : The conference will resume at 9:30 am CDT
  • Idaho_Bassman : thanks
  • Idaho_Bassman : yes, working here after refresh
  • Moderator : Refresh your page here, folks.
  • guest_7205 : Ah, yes now on YouTube
  • Idaho_Bassman : I got it working on Don's youtube page. going over there
  • Moderator : I'm trying to work thru it.
  • guest_7205 : Not started on YouTube either...at least for me here
  • Moderator : Sorry folks, I am being told it is started, but I can't seem to get an answer when I say we are not able to watch it.
  • guest_7205 : Good morning to all from Wyoming!
  • Moderator : Good morning
  • guest_7205 : Good morning...not sure if this is how to login...so testing
  • Moderator : The positive of this late start is that no one has missed a secon of the first lecture.
  • Moderator : Seems one of the speakers can't get his screen viewer loaded.
  • Fran Lewis : Ok. Maybe Don can't get enough fresh donuts at one shop!
  • Moderator : No one yet, Fran. For some reason they are not on schedule. Maybe Don slept in.
  • Fran Lewis : Haha! Allyn, I meant who am I missing speaking at the conference?
  • Moderator : I am being told it will start between now and 8:30
  • Moderator : This is Allyn
  • Fran Lewis : who is speaking?
  • Moderator : No response yet from the video guy on site.
  • Moderator : Hang in there. I will try to find out what is happening. It must be a technical issue.
  • Idaho_Bassman : not seeing on this page
  • Fran Lewis : No video.
  • Moderator : There seems to be a problem. Is anyone seeing the video stream?
  • Fran Lewis : Good Morning!
  • Moderator : Good Morning.
  • Fran Lewis : thank you.
  • Moderator : It should be on by 8
  • Fran Lewis : Will the live stream become available at 8am?
  • Moderator : Recordings of the Conference will be made available, but I do not know when that will happen.
  • guest_6347 : as a international I am not watching in the middel of the night - are previous recordings available, as in 2016?
  • guest_8001 : I'm going to need a lot of donuts 🙂
  • guest_8001 : All day tomorrow????
  • guest_8001 : Until tomorrow
  • guest_669 : I am loving this!!! So grateful for this live streaming...glory be to God!
  • Fran Lewis : SO this scripture about vengeance is mine says the Lord is SPECIFICALLY to be understood in context to the judgment coming (past tense) on Old Covenant Israel.
  • Fran Lewis : 😎
  • Moderator : Fran, the envelope is ready - 🙂
  • Fran Lewis : Thank you!
  • Moderator : No problem. I can easily get them out tomorrow.
  • Moderator : Thank you, Fran. God has blessed me in giving me an ability and the time to go with it.
  • Fran Lewis : Don't over extend yourself. Do what you have to do for the conference. I can even wait until it's over. Yes, I'll be waiting at my mailbox ;).
  • Moderator : I'll mail them out tomorrow, and a bonus booklet.
  • Fran Lewis : Allyn you do a priceless work!
  • Moderator : You sent too much, Fran. But thank you.
  • Fran Lewis : me too, if only for 5 minutes some days. Paypal is done. I'm waiting at my mailbox, LOL!
  • Moderator : Every day for me
  • guest_8001 : A lesson here,just because someone has a degree and/or is a scholar,doesn't mean he/she knows the scripyures.
  • Moderator : I'll send them right out.
  • Fran Lewis : will do! THANK YOU!
  • Moderator : Good. Paypal is allyn_morton@hotmail.com, and be sure to post your address at paypal for me or email me.
  • Fran Lewis : I would like both of those books Allyn. I can pay you through paypal if you like or CC.
  • Moderator : While supplies last.
  • Moderator : Just need $4 for shipping.
  • Moderator : I have free books available for the asking. One is the book by Daniel Rogers, and the other is "Can God Tell Time", by DKP.
  • Fran Lewis : 😎
  • Moderator : close enough 🙂
  • Fran Lewis : Laptop
  • Moderator : How many here are watching through a mobile device?
  • Moderator : I hope to.
  • guest_7738 : This conference rocks...next year I will definitely attend!!!
  • Moderator : We have about 17 in this room and the last I looked there were 60 or so at the Youtube channel.
  • Moderator : That's about average I think.
  • guest_8001 : I made a quick count,and looked like about 25-30 at the tables.
  • Fran Lewis : How many people have showed up for the actual conference?
  • Moderator : 15 minute break
  • Moderator : right
  • guest_8001 : The futurists are looking for the same thing the Old Testament Israel was looking for....a physical kingdom
  • Fran Lewis : amen!
  • Moderator : amen!
  • Moderator : Exactly guest_8001
  • Moderator : Looking forward to DKP lecture on "All Israel Shall Be Saved". Mr. Neubauer's has been great.
  • guest_8001 : Something that should be obvious,how do you have more than one"end of all things?
  • Moderator : Welcome to all new viewers
  • Moderator : Chad Kennow has done an excellent job setting up the video and sound.
  • Moderator : 🙂
  • guest_7134 : NOT your fault. I am catching most.
  • Moderator : Sorry
  • guest_7134 : I keep losing the feed...and need to refresh. BUT that is most likely my slow server.
  • Moderator : (y)
  • guest_8001 : not me
  • Moderator : Is anyone else experiencing video troubles?
  • Moderator : Nancy, refresh the website.
  • NancyJ : When is it starting?
  • Moderator : Looks like we have as many as 18 watching from this webpage.
  • Moderator : The conference is being recorded, but probably won't be available for a while.
  • guest_8001 : I'm here too
  • Fran Lewis : I'm good.
  • guest_7651 : Will all the speakers be on Youtube later?
  • Moderator : Hi Fran, I had a glitch in the streaming, but I got it working. Hopefully we didn't lose anyone.
  • Fran Lewis : Hi Allyn. Present!
  • guest_7651 : I'm here! Listening.
  • Moderator : Is there anyone in the room?
  • Moderator : Everyone here, please reload this page
  • Moderator : We have an issue, but I am attempting to get to the bottom of it.
  • guest_2598 : 🙂 good to go!
  • Moderator : right, and if the dates are scrolling at the bottom of the player, then you are good to go.
  • guest_2598 : Ok, thanks. Looking forward to it. I don't need a link to access? Just watch on this page, right?
  • Moderator : if you haven't already, click the red arrow in the middle of the player.
  • Moderator : Not yet
  • guest_2598 : I'm a bit computer inept. Is the live stream happening now?
  • Moderator : Welcome
  • guest_9882 : Thanks
  • Moderator : It will be starting shortly
  • guest_9882 : I would like to watch via the live link
  • Moderator : The live stream is also available at the link shown in my message.
  • Moderator : Your Moderator tonight is Allyn Morton aka Preterist Voice.
  • Moderator : 🙂
  • NancyJ : I can hardly wait for this!
  • guest_669 : Don I would love to watch livestream...thanks Lorraine
  • guest_8838 : I'd like to watch via live stream, thanks!
  • guest_137 : Signing up for the live feed...not sure what info i am to give to you...
  • Moderator : All guests, this is the place for the Live Stream. There will be other locations as well. Once I get the live stream code, I will set it up. tonight's event is scheduled to begin live streaming at 6:45 CDT
  • guest_9310 : Don, where do i go to watch the live stream of PPW 2017 thank you!
  • guest_2106 : Don, can you send the link to my email. Thanks.
  • guest_2719 : Don, I would like to watch PPW via the livestream. Thanks-Sean
  • guest_2719 : Don,
  • guest_2719 : Don,
  • Fran Lewis : Hi Don, May I partake of the live stream of the 2017 PPW conference? Thank you. Fran
  • guest_504 : Requesting to watch the conference online please send link or code, thanks Dan
  • guest_504 : Requesting access to watch conference online please send the link/code
  • guest_4246 : Good day Don! I would like to view the live stream
  • Moderator : At approx. 6:30 CDT on Thursday, our Live Stream will be in service
  • guest_5026 : Good morning Don, I would like to view the 2017 PPW please.

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